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Tuesday, July 19, 2005

My latest KJV reply

Hey Eric, how's your day going? I hope your week has started off well.
Jumping right in, we don't disagree on relying on the Holy Spirit and studying the scriptures. I fully believe and support that and try to live that out. I don't really see the problem with men interpreting the Bible and us learning from them. Isn't that one of the reasons we go to church? For the pastor to share the word of God and what it means to our lives?
I do, however, understand that man's interpretations are potentially fallible. That's when we have to rely on the desire, intent, and wisdom of the Holy Spirit. I trust that while I am reading the NIV that the Holy Spirit will guide me and show me what it wants to show me whether or not it it written using the same verbiage as the KJV. I do the same when I read the KJV, I trust the Spirit to show me what God intends for me to see.
Here's a quote of yours that troubles me: "You see the NIV Translations committy consisted of Lesbians and other liberals, I believe that Gail R. pointed that out in her video. I hope you caught that."
I did catch that in the video and it troubled me then and still does. Before I go too deep, I must say that I believe homosexuality is a sin. I don't think it's a healthy lifestyle physically or spiritually. But I do take issue with you implying that because a person is a homosexual or a liberal they are disqualified from the word of God. I don't believe that homosexual or liberal people are evil and I don't believe they should be excluded from participating in the word of God.
2Corinthians 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
In my understanding of these verses, God loved the entire world and Jesus died for all men. Not for God so loved the world, except for homosexuals and liberals. Or that Christ died for KJV believing conservatives only. Do you see where we run into problems when we place standards on who is and who is not qualified to participate in the reading and translating of scripture? Who is good enough to translate? Who is good enough that Christ didn't have to die for them? None of us, right?
I'm sure you're probably thinking about 2Corinthians 5:17 and that anyone in Christ is a new creation, so homosexuals should not be homosexuals after they come to Christ. I agree, this does happen, but for the woman Gail spoke of, maybe she has not allowed God to work that out of her life. Maybe she hasn't reached that point in her faith journey. My prayer is that she does/has, but I would think the only qualification to translate the bible would be someone with a living, growing relationship with Christ and is knowledgeable on the original languages.
It's also interesting to me that while there was a homosexual on the translation team, in I Corinthians 6:9 the NIV still says that homosexuality is wrong.
By your quote on liberals and homosexuals, you seem to imply that liberals would seek to water down or pervert the word of God. Is this what you meant? As I said in a previous e-mail, the original KJV bible was translated by men, probably conservative men. Couldn't they have put their own conservative spin on the interpretations and translations? (I appreciate the web site you sent me on the translators of the KJV, I hope to read it soon.)
I hope I'm making sense, I think that liberals could put their spin on the interpretation of scripture just as conservatives can. What we as readers of the word should do it pray and seek God's will and God's wisdom as we seek to do his work.
I'd like to hear your thoughts on this, but now back to the Bible translations:
KJV Isaiah 14: 12 "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"
NIV Isaiah 14: 12 " How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!
I agree, on the surface it does appear that they have changed the meaning from Satan to Jesus, but going to the original Hebrew, the word for Lucifer is heylel, which means: (in the sense of brightness); the morning star: - lucifer.
By going back to the original Hebrew, we see morning star is one word, which also means Lucifer. Thus, I understand the NIV using the phrase morning star for Lucifer. It's also interesting to note that in Revelations, they refer to Jesus as the Morning Star. Note the capital M and capital S, as if it where a proper name. In Isaiah, morning star is not capitalized, so it is not the same meaning. It's similar to the difference between candy and Candy, one is something you eat and the other is a person. Your thoughts?
I don't think I remember you addressing my idea that the Holy Spirit will translate the word to me through the NIV just as it will to you through the KJV. Do you think it's possible for the Holy Spirit to do this?
Also, do you know anything about the KJV Bible being translated into King's English to keep it from common people? This is something I've been told, but you probably know better than I do. I know I probably seem to be challenging your beliefs and positions and I'm really not trying to. I think Proverbs 27:17 is coming into play (Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.) Our discussions have challenged me, and I appreciate you dialoging with me. I just want to make it clear, I'm not trying to convert you or pull you away from your beliefs, just trying to journey into my own.
In Christ's love.
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And his reply

Good to here from you. A Couple of things. First There were Homosexuals that was on the NIV Committe and I do believe that God will not honor those in Sin. God Hates SIN but loves the Person. As you quoted scripture that God Loves All. But let me tell you my Brother He HATES Sin. God is a Loving God but he will not allow sin. AMEN!
Let me ask you this From what Line of Greek and Hebrew are you taking your quotes from. Just like French in Louisiana there is the Cajun French and there is the French from France. They may sound the same but have a little bit different meaning....
I will be tied up for a while as we get together a Benefit Concert for the ABC Crises Center. Stay in touch and if God has laid on your Heart to read from the NIV then by all means read from it. As I said before it took me a couple of months before the Holy Spirit of God moved me on to the KJV. He may do that to you or He may not. Just dont let Satan have his Victory.
Lets Tell Everyone the LOVE of Jesus Christ..................
In His Service,
Brother Eric
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Is it just me or does it seem like he's dodging my questions? I also don't think he's reading my e-mails too carefully, I never contradicted him on the fact that there was a homosexual on the NIV committee (he keeps implying that there were many.)

If you're a homosexual and you're reading this, please don't get distracted by his bigotry. Jesus loves you just as you are and so do I. Much love.

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