KJV

The latest from Eric:
Good to here from you. A Couple of things. First There were Homosexuals that was on the NIV Committe and I do believe that God will not honor those in Sin. God Hates SIN but loves the Person. As you quoted scripture that God Loves All. But let me tell you my Brother He HATES Sin. God is a Loving God but he will not allow sin. AMEN!
Let me ask you this From what Line of Greek and Hebrew are you taking your quotes from. Just like French in Louisiana there is the Cajun French and there is the French from France. They may sound the same but have a little bit different meaning....
I will be tied up for a while as we get together a Benefit Concert for the ABC Crises Center. Stay in touch and if God has laid on your Heart to read from the NIV then by all means read from it. As I said before it took me a couple of months before the Holy Spirit of God moved me on to the KJV. He may do that to you or He may not. Just dont let Satan have his Victory.
Lets Tell Everyone the LOVE of Jesus Christ..................
In His Service,
Brother Eric
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My reply:
Hey, I'm checking the original Greek and Hebrew from Strong's Dictionary of the King James Bible.
Good luck with the Benefit for ABC. I have a friend who spoke at their annual dinner last year I think.
Have Fun.
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Short, yes. I think he's using it as a way to avoid my questions. I hate to think like that, but those are the vibes I'm getting.

P.S. I guess now is as good a time as any to say that my real name isn't Scotty. So why do I post as Scotty? Same reason people ghostwrite novels, which is...uh...does anyone know why people ghostwrite novels?

My latest KJV reply

Hey Eric, how's your day going? I hope your week has started off well.
Jumping right in, we don't disagree on relying on the Holy Spirit and studying the scriptures. I fully believe and support that and try to live that out. I don't really see the problem with men interpreting the Bible and us learning from them. Isn't that one of the reasons we go to church? For the pastor to share the word of God and what it means to our lives?
I do, however, understand that man's interpretations are potentially fallible. That's when we have to rely on the desire, intent, and wisdom of the Holy Spirit. I trust that while I am reading the NIV that the Holy Spirit will guide me and show me what it wants to show me whether or not it it written using the same verbiage as the KJV. I do the same when I read the KJV, I trust the Spirit to show me what God intends for me to see.
Here's a quote of yours that troubles me: "You see the NIV Translations committy consisted of Lesbians and other liberals, I believe that Gail R. pointed that out in her video. I hope you caught that."
I did catch that in the video and it troubled me then and still does. Before I go too deep, I must say that I believe homosexuality is a sin. I don't think it's a healthy lifestyle physically or spiritually. But I do take issue with you implying that because a person is a homosexual or a liberal they are disqualified from the word of God. I don't believe that homosexual or liberal people are evil and I don't believe they should be excluded from participating in the word of God.
2Corinthians 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
In my understanding of these verses, God loved the entire world and Jesus died for all men. Not for God so loved the world, except for homosexuals and liberals. Or that Christ died for KJV believing conservatives only. Do you see where we run into problems when we place standards on who is and who is not qualified to participate in the reading and translating of scripture? Who is good enough to translate? Who is good enough that Christ didn't have to die for them? None of us, right?
I'm sure you're probably thinking about 2Corinthians 5:17 and that anyone in Christ is a new creation, so homosexuals should not be homosexuals after they come to Christ. I agree, this does happen, but for the woman Gail spoke of, maybe she has not allowed God to work that out of her life. Maybe she hasn't reached that point in her faith journey. My prayer is that she does/has, but I would think the only qualification to translate the bible would be someone with a living, growing relationship with Christ and is knowledgeable on the original languages.
It's also interesting to me that while there was a homosexual on the translation team, in I Corinthians 6:9 the NIV still says that homosexuality is wrong.
By your quote on liberals and homosexuals, you seem to imply that liberals would seek to water down or pervert the word of God. Is this what you meant? As I said in a previous e-mail, the original KJV bible was translated by men, probably conservative men. Couldn't they have put their own conservative spin on the interpretations and translations? (I appreciate the web site you sent me on the translators of the KJV, I hope to read it soon.)
I hope I'm making sense, I think that liberals could put their spin on the interpretation of scripture just as conservatives can. What we as readers of the word should do it pray and seek God's will and God's wisdom as we seek to do his work.
I'd like to hear your thoughts on this, but now back to the Bible translations:
KJV Isaiah 14: 12 "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"
NIV Isaiah 14: 12 " How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!
I agree, on the surface it does appear that they have changed the meaning from Satan to Jesus, but going to the original Hebrew, the word for Lucifer is heylel, which means: (in the sense of brightness); the morning star: - lucifer.
By going back to the original Hebrew, we see morning star is one word, which also means Lucifer. Thus, I understand the NIV using the phrase morning star for Lucifer. It's also interesting to note that in Revelations, they refer to Jesus as the Morning Star. Note the capital M and capital S, as if it where a proper name. In Isaiah, morning star is not capitalized, so it is not the same meaning. It's similar to the difference between candy and Candy, one is something you eat and the other is a person. Your thoughts?
I don't think I remember you addressing my idea that the Holy Spirit will translate the word to me through the NIV just as it will to you through the KJV. Do you think it's possible for the Holy Spirit to do this?
Also, do you know anything about the KJV Bible being translated into King's English to keep it from common people? This is something I've been told, but you probably know better than I do. I know I probably seem to be challenging your beliefs and positions and I'm really not trying to. I think Proverbs 27:17 is coming into play (Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.) Our discussions have challenged me, and I appreciate you dialoging with me. I just want to make it clear, I'm not trying to convert you or pull you away from your beliefs, just trying to journey into my own.
In Christ's love.
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And his reply

Good to here from you. A Couple of things. First There were Homosexuals that was on the NIV Committe and I do believe that God will not honor those in Sin. God Hates SIN but loves the Person. As you quoted scripture that God Loves All. But let me tell you my Brother He HATES Sin. God is a Loving God but he will not allow sin. AMEN!
Let me ask you this From what Line of Greek and Hebrew are you taking your quotes from. Just like French in Louisiana there is the Cajun French and there is the French from France. They may sound the same but have a little bit different meaning....
I will be tied up for a while as we get together a Benefit Concert for the ABC Crises Center. Stay in touch and if God has laid on your Heart to read from the NIV then by all means read from it. As I said before it took me a couple of months before the Holy Spirit of God moved me on to the KJV. He may do that to you or He may not. Just dont let Satan have his Victory.
Lets Tell Everyone the LOVE of Jesus Christ..................
In His Service,
Brother Eric
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Is it just me or does it seem like he's dodging my questions? I also don't think he's reading my e-mails too carefully, I never contradicted him on the fact that there was a homosexual on the NIV committee (he keeps implying that there were many.)

If you're a homosexual and you're reading this, please don't get distracted by his bigotry. Jesus loves you just as you are and so do I. Much love.

QuizFarm.com :: What's your theological worldview?

I hope this is a good thing...

QuizFarm.com :: What's your theological worldview?:
You scored as Emergent/Postmodern.
You are Emergent/Postmodern in your theology. You feel alienated from older forms of church, you don't think they connect to modern culture very well. No one knows the whole truth about God, and we have much to learn from each other, and so learning takes place in dialogue. Evangelism should take place in relationships rather than through crusades and altar-calls. People are interested in spirituality and want to ask questions, so the church should help them to do this.

Emergent/Postmodern 78%
Evangelical Holiness/Wesleyan 64%
(and other worldviews that got lost in translation)

Boogie Nights

So...I just watched Boogie Nights. Yeah, I know, I can't really tell anyone about it. I was really surprised by it. I'm kind of a movie buff, and I like movies that cause controversy so I had to see it. I remember how much buzz it created when it first came out but never got the chance to see it.

So here's what struck me about the movie: (may contain spoilers)
1) The reality of it. I would expect a movie from Hollywood about the porn industry to be all glamour and glitz, the porn industry is great, no body gets hurt, it's just all great. What I found was a different message, a message that porn really can destroy your life. It's not all parties and naked people. There's pain, there's loneliness, there's some heavy situations that come with the territory. The lives of the main characters where massively negatively impacted by the choices they made. It reminds me of the verse in Galatians 5: 19It is obvious what kind of life develops out of trying to get your own way all the time: repetitive, loveless, cheap sex; a stinking accumulation of mental and emotional garbage; frenzied and joyless grabs for happiness; 20trinket gods; magic-show religion; paranoid loneliness; cutthroat competition; all-consuming-yet-never-satisfied wants; a brutal temper; an impotence to love or be loved; divided homes and divided lives; small-minded and lopsided pursuits; 21the vicious habit of depersonalizing everyone into a rival; uncontrolled and uncontrollable addictions; ugly parodies of community. I could go on. This isn't the first time I have warned you, you know. If you use your freedom this way, you will not inherit God's kingdom.

2) God reminded me of his overwhelming love for hurting people throughout the film. The girl whose classmate recognizes her in the limo and reminds her that her name is Brandy, not RollerGirl. Dirk as he's being beat up in the parking lot. Jessie (I think that's her name) and Buck with their child. Even the Colonel as he was abused in jail God still has this passionate, crazy, unexplainable love for him and for all of the characters. When we're at the bottom of the bottom of our lives, when we're in the middle of our sinful existance God's supernatural love claws through all of that like children digging through hay looking for coins. It's as if we're coins hidden in a field of hay, mud, and cow crap. But God sent Jesus to wade through all of that to rescue us. No matter how much mud and cow crap we pile on ourselves, Christ can and does find us.

3) We should strive to make wise decisions at every turn of our life. A lot of the characters in the movie made poor decisions that led them to some pretty sorry circumstances. I guess that's why it's so important to try to make the wise decisions. What would have happened if RollerGirl would have stayed in school? What would have happened if Dirk would have gotten a job closer to home? I guess everything turned out ok in the end, but they could have saved themselves a lot of pain and heartache if they would have asked themselves if they were putting themselves in wise places.

I was kind of saddened (not surprised) that in the end they all seemed to find redemption and salvation in the very place where they started, the place that set them on the path of pain and heartache. I guess I couldn't have expected a more positive message, but it would have been nice.

KJV Reply

Here's Eric's reply to my last KJV e-mail. I don't have a reply to him yet, I'll post it when I do.
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Let me make a few points to your comments.
Your Quote: If an uneducated person were to try to read Job 38 in KJV (and they were not accustomed to listening to the Holy Spirit), they may miss out on the majesty of God when they get hung up on not knowing what a mazzaroth is. But if they were to pick up an NIV Bible, they would see that God is talking about how he made the planets and the constellations.
My Opinion: God said in his word to study:
2Ti 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
(KJV)
We have to rely on the Holy Spirit and we are to study the scriptures. We cant let mans interpertation feed us. You see the NIV Translations committy consisted of Lesbians and other liberals, I believe that Gail R. pointed that out in her video. I hope you caught that.
If you look at the brosures that I sent you they will point out many words that have been left out and changed. Remember what Gods word says in Revelation 22: 18-19
Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
If you have not caught this scripture from the video or the brosures then take a look at this.
NIV Revelation 22:16 "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[a] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."
KJV Revelation 22: 16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."
Morning Star: This is Jesus Right ? Of course it is. I beleive that You and I can agree with that. I hope. Lets looks at Isaiah .
KJV Isaiah 14: 12 "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"
I want you to note something...... This verse is speaking of Lucifer and not Jesus as the Bright and Morning Star. It says that Lucifer is the son of the morning, NOT the Bright and Morning Star as we will see what the NIV says.
NIV Isaiah 14: 12 " How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!
Here is one word that was added STAR. Which totally changes the scriptures.
The NIV is taking out Lucifer and replacing the Word with Jesus (Jesus is referred to the Morning Star). NIV is saying that Jesus has fallen from Heaven, Second part of the NIV says what? Morning Star, which is referring to Jesus. This is totally taking out of context when the NIV has removed Lucifer and has replaced it with Jesus. The text is talking about Lucifer and not Jesus. Boy! Did Satan have his way on that one.
Now tell me this what if a new believer was reading this one and new already that Jesus was the Morning Star. What would they think?
There are so many Scriptures that have been removed and OMITTED out of the NIV, especially when it comes to Salvation. Salvation is by Faith and not of works. NIV in the book of Acts takes out believe and omitts it and allows water baptism to take its place. This is also in that brosure I sent you. Now if someone was reading that they would assume that all they have to do is go and be baptised. They will be depending totally on water baptism and not the Grace of our LORD and Savior Jesus Christ.
This is why it is important to seek the True Word of God and to Study as Timothy put it. Remember that in the Book of Revelation
Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
This has been a Blessing for me to share the strong Holds that I have towards Gods Word and I pray that you will stand on your convictions as well. We do not have to debate about this issue but we do have to agree that JESUS CHRIST is the Only way to Heaven !! AMEN AMEN....
I was once in your shoes and as time and convictions setteled in my Heart God revealed to me the Truth. I hope he will do the same for you.
As I mentioned before I have Books, Notes, and Liturature backing the King James Version view or you may go to our website under the Bible Links and see and study for yourself. I am glad to see that you are wanting to understand Truth. I pray for your studies. Let me know if you would be interested in Bible College. I know of a Good one in the area and it is not expensive. It is a 3 year course and it is an indept study of Gods Word.
Your Brother in Christ,
Eric
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P.S. Right now I'm listening to the cd "Films About Ghosts" by Counting Crows, man what a great cd!

Dialog over KJV only

If you haven't been paying attention (tsk tsk!), I've kind of been wrestling with understanding why some people believe that the King James Version is the only Bible. I've been e-mailing back and forth with a guy (who believe KJV is the only Bible) over the issue and keeping you fine folks updated. He sent me a packet of information on why other translations are faulty and a DVD (2 1/2 hours long!) of a lady giving her opinions on the matter. It was all very interesting and I'm appreciative for it. Here's the latest exchange:
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His message to me after I sent him a message telling him I only watched part of the video and didn't agree with everything in it:

Let me know what you disagree with. Sometimes we disagree with things in Life because it was the way we were brought up and taught. As the Word of God says to STUDY.
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.(KJV)
I am glad you find an interest in Bible Translations. I have so much more documentation to Back up the KJV if you need it.
God Bless,
Brother Eric
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My reply:

Hey Eric, sorry it's taken me so long to get back with you.
I disagree with some of the things the lady in the video said such as:
1) I think the Bible Code she spoke of is ludicrous. (she said that by studying the original Hebrew text experts have found names of people and their birth/death dates. She said this may prove that the Bible is the Lamb's Book of Life spoken of in Revelation.)
2) Isaiah 44:5 One shall say, I am the LORD'S; and another shall call himself by the name of Jacob; and another shall subscribe with his hand unto the LORD, and surname himself by the name of Israel. She said that some translations replace the word "subscribe" with tattoo and that this is wrong because subscribe simply means they will raise their hand and say that they are God's. But when I look at the Strong's Hebrew Dictionary, it says "kâthab - A primitive root; to grave; by implication to write (describe, inscribe, prescribe, subscribe). She is supposed to be a Bible expert, but nowhere in the original Hebrew does it say anything about raising a hand but it does say write with his hand.
3) I didn't write down all the specific cases, but she gave examples of how meanings of words and even words themselves where changed in the NIV, but when I looked in my NIV Bible, it used the same word as the KJV
I don't think there is anything wrong with using the King James Version, personally I use it when I want to see how something is differently worded when I do personal study. I'm fine with using the King James, but it's not the primary interpretation I use, I use many (NIV, NLT, MSG).
Through my study of Bible versions (of which you have been incredibly helpful and I offer many thanks), I was seeking to understand why some believe the KJV to be the only Bible. As I said, you've helped me quite a bit to understand this and I fully understand and respect your convictions.
I still wrestle with taking a KJV only approach. Here are my hang-ups:
1) KJV was translated by monks from the original Greek and Hebrew. It was translated by men, in much similarity to the NIV, NLT, etc. being translated by men.
2) I trust the Holy Spirit to interpret and help me understand scripture no matter what version I'm reading. I still feel that I would be limiting the Holy Spirit by saying it can only interpret the KJV Bible, not another translation.
3) My understanding (and I am open to being wrong in this) is that the KJV bible was originally translated in King's English to keep it out of the hands of the common people (as common people didn't speak King's English.) This allowed church leaders to keep scripture from the people, thus controlling the people. As King's English has since passed, many common people still have trouble understanding words such as "thou, forthwith, abject, murrain, mazzaroth, surfeiting, and cote." If an uneducated person were to try to read Job 38 in KJV (and they were not accustomed to listening to the Holy Spirit), they may miss out on the majesty of God when they get hung up on not knowing what a mazzaroth is. But if they were to pick up an NIV Bible, they would see that God is talking about how he made the planets and the constellations.
I guess those are the majors, I'd like to hear your thoughts.
Even though we may disagree on KJV only, we will share Heaven and I look forward to that.
Thank you for your help and I welcome further thoughts and dialog.

Girls want to smell like fruits and vegetables

I had this thought while I was in the shower. I'm married and my wife has no less than 8 different "flavors" of body washes, soaps, body lotions and fragrances. Ok, yeah, I like using the lotions for my soft hands and feet (a man should never skimp on the foot love!)

These fragrances are based on fruit and vegetable scents, which is nice, but isn't that kind of weird? We people want to smell like black raspberry, country apple, apple-vanilla, lemon-verbena (what's a verbena?), cucumber-melon, coconut-lime, sage, cotton, juniper, mango, plumeria, rice-flower, tea-ginger (these are just a few of the flavors available!)

So I started thinking...why? I guess it's the kid in me, but I think why do we want to put something on our body (lotion, soap, perfume, etc.) to make us smell better? And the answer hit me right in the face with my armpit...we stink. Humans just smell bad. So I can't help thinking, is this a product of the fall? Before Adam and Eve lunched on the fruit tree (I guess we can't stay away from fruit, see above list) did they stink? Did Adam suffer from B.O.? Did Eve have feminine odor? Did they fart, did they sweat, did they have bad breath?

I'd like to think no, I'd like to think that their breath smelled like citrus, their bodies smelled like cucumber-melon or plumeria, and their personal areas smelled like a spring morning. But it all changed when sin entered the picture, and now a consequence of our sin is that we will sweat and stink and forever battle to cover that up.

Maybe every day we put on perfume, every day we wash with lemon-verbena soap and brush with cinnamon toothpaste we're searching for a sort-of physical forgiveness. We're looking to redeem our body odor with something better, something sweeter, something more perfect than us. All the while it's just an outward expression of the cry of our soul. On a physical level every day we wash with soap but on a spiritual level there is a soap to wash our soul.

That soap is in the form not of fruit juice or crushed herb, but in the form of blood. Our dirty, putrid, black souls are washed white by way of red. When we wash our souls in red, we no longer have to search for something more perfect to make us acceptable. We've already found it and in finding it our souls become sweet smelling eternally.

Because of Christ, we give off a sweet scent rising to God, which is recognized by those on the way of salvation--an aroma redolent with life.
2 Corinthians 2:15 (The Message)

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